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This is literally evidence of stuff being designed to fail. An extra diode costs less than a cent at production scale. This was a manufacturing choice, not an error.

nah, this is just not something designer would expect to fail like that. The LED has datasheet, the datasheet have leakage current, it has no data on increased leakage over years, you plan for what you have.

What would help is not randomly planning for some of the segments to fail (they are multiplexed with other things, you'd have to put more diodes), but to just get slightly better/less cheap LED display

Only "choice" made here was sorting by price when buying components for the cheap device.


Sounds like this is far more common a problem with blue LEDs than others, and that was certainly a choice.

As if I needed another reason to detest the eye-searing blue LEDs that have infested every device.


Don't underestimate the appeal of saving one cent per unit. So long as the costs are externalised, anyway...

Eh, I don't agree.

LEDs are diodes (Light emitting diode). Certainly this was a cost saving measure, but it's not a bad assumption that the LED wouldn't allow reverse current flow.


It’s not exactly designed to fail, they just don’t care. If they could add a one-cent part that made it fail sooner, they wouldn’t do that either.

what happens when that diode fails?

Capitalist profit motive strikes again. The invisible hand expands tech and the visible hand keeps making tech worse.

People usually respond to this by saying that it would be absurd to suggest the company did this for its own benefit, when anyone who engineers knows these are often caused by revising design to minimize costs... and increase profits.


Because online journalism is journalism jr. and they can't be bothered to do basic research on their story.

anecdotally i've had this conversation with 3 people (engineers) at my work today.

They all thought it was crazy that without a subscription they're recording and uploading video.

One person asked 'Why are we paying for a subscription if it's not for the storage and processing?'

Another started talking about flock and ice right after.


Vote Giant Meteor 2028. Thick Dust or Bust.

Whatever happened to the New Jersey drones? Did we give up on them or did they give up on us?

This is correct. It has to be buried below the frost line else we would have frozen footage.

The guy did seem to be wearing a warm coat and gloves so obviously pretty cold where the video was, probably just below the frost line.

Why are we overthinking this? It was disconnected by the kidnapper, not erased by him. All the FBI has to do is reconnect it (or even just find the MAC address) and wait for Google to provide them the footage via a request.

https://policies.google.com/terms/information-requests?hl=en...


I heard that Nancy Guthrie was not paying for the subscription that let her view her old video footage. So it's interesting that Google was still storing all that footage.

The google/ring backbone service people are likely disconnected from google's money collecting people. It is probably just easier to collect all of it and then check for payments only when users login to get at the footage. Otherwise, every fetch of footage from a camera would trigger a query to the payment system.

It is easier to constantly upload video rather than check a boolean if current customer? An active customer status is not something that changes per second. Can easily be cached for multiple hours.

If I don't pay, they should not store footage. What is so difficult about that?

If you don't want them to store footage, don't buy a cloud connected camera

With Google, you are the product. Those that pay for their services just add more to their bank account. There is a reason they removed _Don't be Evil_. Decouple and move on from them is the only thing you can do.

I don't have a Nest but I suspect it's even simpler than that. She didn't have a subscription but the devices still store video locally up to the capacity of onboard storage. These recent local clips used to all be locally accessible but to "increase subscription value", Google started making that locally stored data inaccessible without subscription.

However, the local storage is just a rolling buffer and the clips beyond the last 10 seconds are still there in local RAM and either not shown in the interface or deleted in the file system (but just by blanking the name in the directory, not a secure overwrite erase). Either the FBI forensic data recovery people or Google/Nest finally ran a sector-by-sector file recovery. I'm just surprised it took so long. I assume maybe because the local storage on those doorbells isn't a removable SD card so they had to gain access some other way.

Frankly, I'm surprised how many people buy devices which are cloud-only. At this point, I generally won't consider any IOT devices if the manufacturer even offers an optional cloud subscription (unless the firmware is open source). Too many companies have now locked down previously open devices to force cloud subscription (looking at you Chamberlain/LiftMaster assholes).

EDIT TO ADD: Saw this Verge article by someone who bothered to find out how current Nest doorbells work. It basically confirms what I thought with the nuance that some local files actually get uploaded to the cloud even without a subscription but aren't accessible until the user pays. https://www.theverge.com/tech/877235/nancy-guthrie-google-ne...


The article even says "[...] some Nest devices record event histories and store them on-device. The third-gen wired Nest Doorbell can save up to 10 seconds of clips, while the first and second-gen wired doorbells can save up to three hours of event history, all without a subscription.".

>The third-gen wired Nest Doorbell can save up to 10 seconds of clips, while the first and second-gen wired doorbells can save up to three hours of event history

Wow, the march of progress.


What backlash? "People voiced concerns" turns out to be 9 people if you follow the link. Where exactly is this backlash and why can't I smell it?

Ring has experienced backlash before when they allowed police departments to browse the imagery without any kind of oversight or warrant. And has changed their policies as a result (in the most minimal way but ok)

And these are pretty high profile people whose job it is to represent the people who will also have concerns but don't all contact the verge about it :)

By the way i use ring cameras too but I've already mitigated them a lot. Installed telephoto lenses that can only see the specific area I want them to see, and I removed the microphones so they can't hear what I'm saying. I got some free with my ring alarm so I didn't really want to waste the hardware either.


Everyone I’ve talked to about the Super Bowl ads has mentioned that one and said that it is creepy af. The backlash is mostly word of mouth in my experience.

Exactly. There are certainly more than 9 of us who value privacy and understand where this is going, but in comparison to millions of normies we aren't even a screeching voice of minority[1].

[1] https://www.howtogeek.com/746588/apple-discusses-screeching-...


If you search for this story on other sites, the comments are full of backlash.

At what number of people do you consider it a backlash?

1% of subscribers

What about people who aren't subscribers and do not want their privacy invaded?

I'm afraid it's GDPR for them

I'm glad it's GDPR for me.

The subtext is that idiots are buying these things and should at least become aware that there are reasons for backlash that haven't occurred to them.

I found out that on Reddit people go there and ask things like this (someone asked recently): "My girlfriend and I are looking for something to do. Are there any protests going on today we can go to?"

Can you imagine people actually searching things out like that? These "people voicing concerns" are like that. Someone has to find something to be enraged about for the sake of finding something to do.


Can you imagine people actually believing a post on Reddit, and then extrapolating that to everybody who is going to a protest?

Or people are concerned about living in a surveillance state and wish to protest that or some other issue. Why downplay legitimate societal concerns?

So instead of drinking or shopping they want to support a cause?

My god how do they live with themselves.


What an absurd take.

The entire article is half-assed assumptions mixed with common sense. The only lesson is to prepare before the snow season arrives or suffer.

>It is frequency-dependently associated with longevity.

Paper where more frequent cycles in women correlate to longer lifetimes? That would have to be true if this were true.


I'm assuming you're referring to blood loss from menstruation? That's typically only 30-40 mL (1-1.5 fluid ounces, about a shot glass).

Nowhere close to the amount given during a donation.


Heavy bleeders would be in the 100-200ml range. This group should correlate with longevity.

That's like asking if mommy needs a razor sharp knife in the kitchen or if we should keep it dull for legacy reasons.

Uhhh, what? No it isn't.

Having a sharp knife is safer than a dull one.

Having a massive heavy steel box that weighs thousands of kilos that can accelerate that quick, that you can operate in public with little to no useful training is not safer. I'm sorry, no car outside of a race track needs to accelerate that quick. It's absurd.


The analogy fits perfectly. A slow car is also unsafe, that's why low speed plates exist along with minimum speed limits. There's no such thing as a vehicle with too much acceleration and never will be.

Yeah what qualifies as a "slow car"? An Amish dude on a horse and buggy?

I have driven plenty of "slow" cars with less than 100 horsepower without issue. If you can't figure out how to merge that's a skill issue, another prime reason not to be giving people cars with former F1 car levels of acceleration. You don't need 0-60 in 3 seconds to fucking merge, get real!


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