You know.. I keep thinking this might be a good thing in some ways. AI spam could save us from the worst of the current social media status quo, the toxicity of the attention "economy", but flooding it so thoroughly nobody wants to engage with it anymore. Maybe the world can collectively "wake up" and "go outside" by turning towards local and more intimate communities for social interactions..
It's a shame though that this is gonna kill so many sites and projects. Sure we have ChatGPT, but also with things like Google AI summary getting so much better traffic to sites is going to plummet. Without people visiting I think the incentive, heck even motivation, for a ton of the sites is gone. We've seen it with sites like Stack Overflow, but it's probably going to happen to just about everything..
Things are definitely going to change in significant ways. The internet of the past is definitely dead, it just doesn't know it yet.
> It's a shame though that this is gonna kill so many sites and projects. Sure we have ChatGPT, but also with things like Google AI summary getting so much better traffic to sites is going to plummet. Without people visiting I think the incentive, heck even motivation, for a ton of the sites is gone. We've seen it with sites like Stack Overflow, but it's probably going to happen to just about everything..
As I see it, this is just an extra step in a long series of tools to just serve information more quickly. Search snippets for search results have always (?) been displayed for each link/page returned. If the information you were looking for was included in those snippets, then you wouldn't need to visit the actual site.
Then at some point there were knowledge cards/panels. Again, if the information you were looking for was in those cards/panels, then you didn't need to click on the links.
Now with LLMs/Gemini, the information is sometimes summarized at the top of the page. You need even less to visit the search results.
Google has always been a kind of cache for the Internet. It's just way more efficient at extracting and displaying information from that cache now.
So, yes, traffic keeps going down. But new knowledge will still need to be produced, right?
I don't know that the influx of AI spam would necessarily result in people disengaging and choosing to seek out real content, though. Social media feeds have been serving up less and less content from our actual real life contacts for a while now (partly because people seem to be posting less). As long as it's engaging I think a significant chunk of people aren't going to care whether it's AI
(anecdotally, my mother loves AI generated videos, perhaps it's just novelty at the moment and it will wear off)
Anything in particular? I first used it about 10 years ago, on prem, and am currently using the cloud version. Current edition is clunky, slow, and constantly badgers me with Rovo shit I can't disable. IMHO, it reeks of a product once built by and for technical people that eventually got dumbed down by POs to the point of being painful for the original users. Obviously I'm no longer the target user because I assume someone somewhere appreciates these changes.
The performance, at least on our cloud instance, has greatly improved. There was a period of time where every load was causing the side bar and other components to slowly load with skeletons everywhere.
There are still skeletons but a lot of the page components load instantly(cached) and others load quite quickly.
Tons of UI "jank" has been cleaned up across Jira and Confluence. The UI design, in general, has also finally cleaned up nicely and "settled".
Confluence articles load very fast now. They have also added Live documents which is a very welcome addition.
Is Jira still bloated? Yeah, but that doesn't preclude improvements. It feels less bloated now to me.
I'd argue the opposite. The thing is so bloated and the simplest of things seem to be so hard. Import markdown in confluence? Nope not natively. Add an issue to the board? better go to the one workflow to do it and not in the actual ticket.
Confluence used to be built on top of pretty standard plain wiki markup that could be edited without being forced into a bad visual editor, even easy to edit in an external text editor to not have to spend so much time in the web UI at all. I remember having an Emacs mode for it installed.
Looking this up now, Wikipedia says the wiki markup was abandoned already in 2011. Not that I think Confluence was ever a great wiki, but at least having pages that were backed by some resonable plaintext markup was much better than not having that.
Perhaps I just haven't noticed them, which is unfortunate. I have noticed that I often have to double or triple click to open a ticket on my board. There's no reason for such a core functionality to be that slow.
The only Jira improvement that I can remember from the last 11 years is being able to drag and drop subtasks (maybe it was up and down arrows before that).
Everything else has been UI changes as far as I've seen.
Same! This nightmare seems to have started recently from what I have experienced. I find myself hard refreshing constantly to get the damn tickets to open.
If anyone from atlassian reads this: please, for the love of god resolve this issue.
Yeah because it's cheaper they go evaporative. That's an easy fix by just making it more expensive.
People talk about the water usage like it's an intrinsic feature of datacenters; it's not. You just make it more expensive so they are forced to conserve. But you wait till you have to so you don't push them to build elsewhere.
There is definitely a sort of undercurrent online to a lot of the claims and animosity towards anyone questioning LLMs or even exploring the downsides. Tons of anger and vitriol; on HN now even.
I get the sense a lot of new and middling engineers view this as some shortcut to success. Angry about getting passed on promotions, push back on their PRs, questioned why things are taking so long(hint: because they weren't actually putting in a full days work), or not making the grade for FAANG.
Now here is LLM and it's their chance to get stuff done without having to do much work. Don't need to have put in the work to learn and study. Now all those that were keeping them down before are the REAL problem because they are too slow, too out of date. What a gift! It's the great mediocracy uprising!
I haven't quite wrapped my head around it but there is definitely some weird social stuff going on.
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