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If you're not willing to give up your RSUs you shouldn't be surprised that the executives aren't either.

The moral failing is all of ours to share.


I was willing to (and did) give up my equity.

I doubt hobbyists would describe their hobby as purgatory.

I doubt the laborer would describe their toil as "craft".


> I doubt hobbyists would describe their hobby as purgatory.

Programmers have become accustomed to a lot of cultural and financial respect for their work. That's about to disappear. How do you think radio actors felt when they were displaced by movies? Or silent film actors when they were displaced by talkies?

> I doubt the laborer would describe their toil as "craft".

Intellectual labor is labor. I'm a laborer in programming and I definitely consider it a craft. I think a lot of people here at HN do.


And they were and are of course right to feel those feelings, but it doesn't change the fact that the world is changing. Rarely do large changes benefit everyone in the world.


> And they were and are of course right to feel those feelings, but it doesn't change the fact that the world is changing. Rarely do large changes benefit everyone in the world.

I'm not sure who you are arguing against. No one here said that the world isn't changing. But it seems to me that the people who are disadvantaged by AI, which is potentially everyone who doesn't own a data center, should take efforts to ensure their continued survival, instead of merely becoming serfs to the ruling oligarchs.


Only if your flow is writing the actual code.

If you flow state involves elaborating complimentary specifications in parallel, it's marvelous


Yet no one seriously declares motor vehicles as useless.


Many who live in sufficiently-walkable areas don't have one and are actively opposed to getting one


It's funny that people blame the site for this.

That toxicity is just part of software engineering culture. It's everywhere.


Its karma farming. Number must go up regardless of the human cost. Thats why the same problem is seen here, to a lesser extent.

Karma in social media is a technology to produce competitiveness and unhappiness, usually to increase advertising engagement.

Compare how nice the people are on 4chan /g/ board compared to the declining years of SO. Or Reddit for that matter.


Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

This is just grandstanding. Half the people from this lab will go on to work for AI companies.


> Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

175 years of history would disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity


That old saw. Downvote all you want. Adversarial engineering does indeed rely on obscurity, they just don't tell you that.


I've been working in security for more than 20 years and have seen the deleterious effects of security through obscurity first-hand. Why does "adversarial engineering" rely on obscurity?


And now you know the only reason these labs get any funding.

It's all to benefit industry, whether the academics realize it or not.


In an arms race, the party with the most money always wins.


Citation needed.


I generally agree with you but AI confusion is also a good signal your abstractions are nonsense.

One problem there is that people would rather believe the AI is "dumb" than face the facts.


There's really no such thing as complete verification.

The quest for purity is some fountain of youth nonsense that distracts a lot of otherwise brilliant engineers.

Ask the AI to make a program that consumes a program and determine if it halts.


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