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I'd say that behavior is often called "virtue signaling" when it's mostly other people who have to pay the cost for someone's "virtuous" behavior.

Example:

Y Combinator notices how only 15% of their funded founders are women. Their fellow progressives call them out on this, and YC commits to fund more women. They will write posts about how they want more female founders. They will organize women only events. Perhaps, they will even actually favor female founders over more qualified male founders for funding.

Very virtuous of them to care about gender equality.

The problem is that the society doesn't consist of "men" and "women". It consists of individuals. When a man applies to YC, he isn't "men", he is a unique individual. An individual who has put enormous effort to build a product. An individual who has been long dreaming of founding a company, and finally built enough courage to take the leap. An individual who would be qualified by his merits.

But... he gets rejected because YC consists of virtuous people who care about gender equality, and unfortunately they have already funded enough men.

Now YC gets to post how they have funded more female founders, and their fellow progressives will praise them for caring about gender equality.

And what happened to the aspiring male entrepreneur after that? No one knows. No one cares.

...

In this example, it's YC who gets all the virtue points, while it's the aspiring male entrepreneur who has to carry most of the cost for their "virtuous" behavior. This doesn't mean that YC's behavior is wrong, but it does suggest that their behavior isn't as virtuous as it seems.

Thus, "virtue signaling".



This is not an example of virtue signalling.

YC invest their own money and so it is their cost.

The applicants applied to a program where they knew the rules. Because it's their money they make the rules.

And I reckon, they believe their rules get the best results.

This is not virtue signalling, it's taking action.


I like this analysis. I’d say the root problem is that it feels like there should be no trade-offs in doing “good”, when in reality there are always trade-offs. In other words, there is no way to solve the undesirable gender disparity issue that will meet the standard of YC’s behavior being “as virtuous as it seems”.




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