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I.e., no one running a company today

In that case, there's a huge market opportunity! (Why don't you throw your hat in?)



Yeah, he just has to pull a few million out of his ass and challenge industry leaders in their own back yard to a shit fight.


How does that follow? Why would there be?


How does that follow? Why would there be?

Left as an exercise to the student. (Advice: If you don't know the answer yet, don't throw your hat in.)


You have to have a hat to be able to throw it in.


Wrong. See my reply to foldr.


There's a prerequisite for being a successful capitalist. The clue's in the name.


The clue's in the name

No, let me give you a clue.

My grandfather was doing microlending in the early part of the 20th century, even when Korea was still occupied by Japan. Even people who are dirt poor can get their hands on enough capital to get the ball rolling. In many cases, Chinese immigrants start off poorer than the poor segments of the societies they move to, and yet have climbed into the middle and upper classes in a few generations. Often, this is done by pooling resources.

Look at history. The key ingredient isn't capital. Those who believe it is are precisely the ones who fail at capitalism. (Often they are the ones who take capital away from others by force, then see those industries fail and fade away.)


Nice anecdote, but anecdotes are not data.

The vast majority of small businesses fail; wealthier people are more likely to start companies and more likely to succeed. (For some intuition, they can afford the float, on their living expenses, if nothing else, for longer, until they find market traction.)

Capital is indeed quintessential to capitalizing on market opportunities through business. It is in the name for a reason.

You make a sweeping and inaccurate statement that people who understand the dictionary definition of capitalism are all socialists who want to start a red revolution, which is just ludicrous and broadly offensive.


Nice anecdote, but anecdotes are not data.

(The fact that I've revealed a truly remarkable bit of my family's history to you, for you to simply dismiss it, speaks volumes. You demonstrate no curiosity about it. It's simply something for you to "debunk." Just wow. Do you have any idea what my Korean grandfather had to accomplish within the Japanese occupied system to get into the position to microlend? Do you know what that meant for the farmers he was able to lend to? Do you have any clue what the North Korean communists who came into power would have made of all that? No curiosity about actual history, just partisan axe grinding. George Orwell was right about upper/middle class lefties. They don't care about helping the poor so much as about hurting the rich.)

The repeated climb of Chinese immigrants, going back over a thousand years, across different eras of history, in widely differing parts of the world, is not mere anecdote. If you include immigrants of other ethnicities, then the pattern becomes stronger, and the evidence mounts.

The vast majority of small businesses fail;

True. So one tries again.

wealthier people are more likely to start companies and more likely to succeed.

That's Pareto, not Capitalism.

Capital is indeed quintessential to capitalizing on market opportunities through business. It is in the name for a reason.

Yet time and time again, poor immigrants get themselves into the game and succeed, with little or modest access to capital. Contrast this with the numerous situations where industries are socialized, but into the hands of a different class/identity group, then proceed to decay. Capital is helpful, but isn't the key. Culture and knowledge are.

In this, there is hope, because culture and knowledge are transmissible.


I'm glad you're proud of your grandfather, but your emotional attachment to him does not strengthen an argument that capital is not required to start a business. I don't mean to be dismissive of his struggle in any way and I am aware that the Japanese occupation of Korea was atrocious.

> Contrast this with the numerous situations where industries are socialized, but into the hands of a different class/identity group, then proceed to decay.

Dude, I am not advocating socialism. You are repeatedly attempting to frame this as capitalism vs socialism and that is just not even related. I am pro-capitalism as much as I am pro-gravity but also pro-facts, truth, and realistic personal financial advice.




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