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I had the same exact response and cancelled mine around the time of the tweets about the Pelosi attack he made. It’s a shame, we loved our last Tesla but I can’t stand the thought of being associated with him. We were supposed to pick it up the week he made those tweets.

I was his former prime target demographic. I feel very strongly about protecting the environment, I hate gasoline engines after working on them most of my life, I loved how economical it was to drive an electric car, I love technology, and I could afford a Tesla. I don’t know what his new demographic is but I don’t think they even can buy a Tesla or will. I wish him lots of luck. Based on my experiences in a small town, his new demographic buys dually trucks listening to alt right propaganda and lives check to check working in the oilfield. Or is on a very fixed income and is retired and stays at home afraid, watching Fox News, with their last car in the driveway, a 1997 Oldsmobile or Buick.



From what I've seen there are quite a lot of Tesla drivers in major southern suburbs.

Southern suburbs tend to be fairly conservative. Maybe not quite as Trump loving as rural areas. But conservative nonetheless and likely not turned off by Elon's recent emergence as a right wing political figure.

Also, if you read enough /r/elonmusk you'll see that a lot of people have bought into Elon's schtick that he's actually just a centrist (apparently centrists love DeSantis)


Yeah, Emissions reductions will come from lighter cars, not steel cars weighed down with enough battery for ludicrous mode.

Also emissions reductions doesn’t come from selling more private vehicles.


There is a heavy mix of liberal and conservatives in the south. Classic big city vs everyone else dynamic.

Had a group of BLM protestors positing live on twitter how they where coming up to where I live to burn down neighborhoods.

I’m surrounded by gun fanatics. If police hadn’t blocked mass transit and highways it would have been a blood bath.


> I had the same exact response and cancelled mine around the time of the tweets about the Pelosi attack he made.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I find this level of online political attachment to be completely deranged. Either it's a good car or not.


You know, my decisions on things are mostly based on the product...

But if I know I'm going to enrich someone that I find completely obnoxious, it gives me pause. (Of course, dealing with an organization helmed by someone obnoxious tends to have its own costs: they tend not to be super laser-focused on the customer experience).

Ordinary political disagreement isn't enough to do this for me. But seemingly systemic wanton disregard for others gets me to the point that it's a lot harder for me to justify buying that product.

There's a pizza place in my town co-owned by a notorious jerk. They have pretty good pizza. I still don't go there anymore (even though he is generally not there and the risk of running into him is low).


It seems that 5% or more of the country views everything through a binary lens of "Is this something my media and political group will be upset about or not" so if you are a Republican/Fox News person you feel that you should buy a "MyPillow" when buying a pillow.

and if you are part of the Democrat/NYT group buying a "MyPillow" is a bad thing.

To your point, this is crazy because both sides probably buy the exact same Tyson Farms chicken and have spent zero time learning about Tyson's business and labor practices and Tyson executives political beliefs. They are just thinking about which businesses Fox News / NYT has told them to care about.


puts Adam Curtis hat on

Ever since Madison Avenue taught the postwar consumerist middle class to consider purchases as buying into aspirational lifestyles, tying it into personal identity, the same process has shifted from simply patronizing businesses all of the way to political choices. Thus, charismatic and attention-seeking CEOs no longer sell their businesses simply no the basis of the quality of their goods or services, but buying into entire constructs of Zizek voice ideology. Thus, perhaps paradoxically, consumer individuals, craving belonging, are buying their way into tribes of like-minded individuals with similar convictions.

In short, don't blame the country themselves; these businesses and their management are pushing politicizing as a tactic to sell, sell, sell. As we in tech know, everything is ads.


I think another post alluded to this but if Tesla gets in trouble the cars will likely be bricked right?

If the viability of the company relies on the hype machine then it’s pretty relevant what kj d of person is “renting” me the car


I've not studied this specifically but I do have a general interest in the complex control systems now in cars —and I try to avoid them.

I think that, from watching the likes or Rich Rebuilds, who ostensibly operates without any approval from tesla, the cars will run without the internet but I guess they'd become "feature complete" and when modules die it will be on the car hacking community to pick up the mantle.

Traditional cars aren't in a much better position as somewhat superfluous modules (think a radio head unit) can take down one of the many CANbus networks in your car and leave it a brick.

Many (most?) auto techs are not well versed identifying these types of low level problems and will fall back to firing the parts cannon at the car rather than identifying the issue definitively. Just like in Battleship you can get a hit by random guessing but this is a waste of money and resources.

The random superfluous modules also become unavailable and if they're critical to making the car start then your car might be out of commission for the foreseeable future. GM and Ford just don't have as much of a social media halo around them.

You do see a few headlines around particularly egregious money digs, like one company making remote start a subscription feature. That module and the car it's in is not built to last in my view.


> I think another post alluded to this but if Tesla gets in trouble the cars will likely be bricked right?

I strongly doubt millions of cars will be left bricked to be towed to the junkyard.


I have strong doubt too. But the track record of accountability from our institutions means the difference between strong doubt and complete doubt.

That eSilverado tho


If they can do that to IoT devices, well…


To the completely unethical person, people making decisions for ethical reasons will always appear to be madness.

I might have been a little less "blunt", but the word "deranged" for someone's ethical choice made me vomit in my mouth a little.




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