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While it’s slightly concerning that the baby ingests genetically engineered mRNA that has been untested for infant consumption, the more pressing concern is that mRNA proliferated further than expected in mothers’ bodies.

We were originally told that mRNA vaccines did not spread around the body.

An mRNA vaccine that spreads around the body is problematic, because the body’s own cytotoxic T cells and NK (natural killer) cells will destroy some of our own cells if they express the spike protein (as prompted by the mRNA vaccine). This is particularly problematic in heart cells, where permanent scarring of tissue can occur, weakening the heart and shortening the life of the patient.



It's not only the heart that's at risk. The shots have been seen to cause diabetes or cause uncontrollable ketoacidosis in people who are already diabetic.

This isn't a surprise because diabetes is caused by the destruction of irreplaceable cells in the pancreas. The body can't regrow them and you are diabetic for life. So if those cells take up vaccine mRNA and express spike, the body will destroy them thinking they are infected with something (which they sort of are), and that will create new diabetics.

Originally we were told such cases were just coincidences, but that this can happen is obvious from the mechanism of action which is why they stressed so hard that the shots would stay in the arm muscles. Nowadays doctors recognize that the mRNA can spread through the body and cells can be destroyed anywhere. Example case report:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12020-022-03130-8

Even Moderna's own study of the shots on young children caused one of participants to get diabetes a month later and they admitted it was causal, but the case was only mentioned at the very end of the appendix (see page 62 here https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2209367/suppl_f...)


This is all news to me and to be honest not even sure I understand it all.

Given that, how would you rate the potential danger of these vaccines to the COVID itself? As in keep getting the boosters or not?

What about the Novavax vaccine as an alternate? Not that I see it available locally but am curious about it.


Modern COVID isn't dangerous. The vaccines can be. And the vaccines don't stop you getting COVID anyway, so, the risk is additive in any event. Your call.


We now know it also crosses the blood brain barrier.


> We were originally told that mRNA vaccines did not spread around the body.

It's injected into the bloodstream, how can it not?


Incorrect. It is injected into muscle (ie IM vs IV). Furthermore, we were told for safety’s sake it would be absorbed locally. Finding it in breast milk, heart, ovaries, etc is a big ducking deal. Long term effects? Unknown but a certain subset of population very quick to minimize it. Like feeding your baby pharmaceutically altered mRNA is just like feeding your baby a carrot. Uh huh, sure, Prove it. That’s the whole point, can’t prove anything because they destroyed the control group (officially at least, my opinion is that we are all in the same massive experiment so I guess that makes me control).

Nah, moving goal posts on “safe and effective.” One by one the claims are they made have been dropped from marketing materials. The posters around my hospital sure have changed in the strength of their claims over the last few years.


Vaccines like this are not meant to be injected into the bloodstream. They’re meant to be injected into muscle tissue.

There is an injection technique called “aspiration” that is specifically intended to avoid vaccines being inadvertently injected into the bloodstream.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intramuscular_injection

Unfortunately many countries have stopped performing this safety technique as it causes the injection to be more painful.


The doctors giving the injections here in Belgium were explicitly told not to aspirate. I asked both of the ones I had. They said it went against their training, but apparently they were told aspiration would somehow destroy the very fragile vaccine. None of them sounded convinced but both refused to aspirate.


Interesting.

I would have walked out the surgery if the doctor refused to perform this simple safety precaution.

"Destroying the vaccine" sounds like a peculiar argument against aspiration.


You could walk out, but that meant the app by the goverment would not show the "fully vaxed" status. This app was mandatory checked at every bar, cafe, restaurant, theater, ... , and they had to refuse you entrance if not vaxed.




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