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> Your lack of empathy for others is always baffling for me. “I haven’t had problems with occupants, therefore they are not a problem.”

They just said that they hadn't observed the same thing in their entourage.

> Some had to crawl, bleeding on the floor, reciting to Coran.

Are you referring to a recent event in France? Can't find any with the query "réciter coran otage". That quote makes France look like a war zone.

> Some pupils grow under oppression, having to donate their lunch meal every day.

> Some had to give their mobile phone.

Are you making a link with "occupants" from the first sentence? Because bullying and assault didn't wait for immigration to exist, and criminality in general is caused by so much factors that makes the analysis harder than just looking at correlations.

> some people are thrown in the Seine.

Search for "jeté dans la Seine" (thrown in the Seine):

- [20 years ago] Brahim Bouraam: murder of a Moroccan in Paris by a far-right militant [0]

- [5 days ago] A jogger thrown into the Seine by a drunken German, another bystander injured [1]

I don't think you referred to those actions.

> But as long as you give occupants priority and respect in your life, and you respect them

Nobody said something remotely related to that in the thread.

> don’t say anything about the occupied zone

...

I hope that you can still find some enjoyment in the dystopian alternate reality you're experiencing.

PS: I lived in a hot district. I haven't been assaulted but I know someone who has been. It hasn't been perpetrated by an immigrant, and nothing happened after. He hasn't been caught, police closed the case, and life went on. It makes me think the problem here is not related to immigrants. But that's anecdata anyway. A study apparently found no correlation between immigration and criminality [2].

[0]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Brahim_Bouraam

[1]: https://www.20minutes.fr/faits_divers/faits-divers-paris/414...

[2]: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/04/23/no-study...



I find your linked study intriguing, as an American who's aware of studies on my side of the Atlantic that show an inverse relationship between immigration and criminality - i.e. immigrants commit less crime than native born citizens: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murde...

Is that truly not the case in France? I'd be curious as to the results of a study comparing this effect across both countries.


Crime rates from immigrant populations are highly dependent on where the immigrants come from, and the US tends to do a better job at integration than European countries in recent years. Not that the US did not experience problems with immigrant crime from South America, but it is much worse in Europe, notably with immigrants from the Middle East. I think the baseline crime rate in the US was also higher than it was in European countries, before mass immigration policies kicked in.


The US is an ocean way from Middle East. What did you expect? If the US imported inmigrants from war zones, (like Mexico with narcos but far worse), California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas... would be shitting bricks today.


I'm pretty sure that the biggest numbers of immigrants in those states come exactly from that "war zone" that you think Mexico is.


It's illegal to do such studies in France and to talk about them




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