TSMC has 83000 employees. If Intel does everything TSMC & NV do, then they should have something like 83000+36000~120000 employees?

The scale isn't really comparable. TSMC manufactures 5x more wafers than Intel, and the disparity is getting exponentially worse every year (see the chart at https://thecuberesearch.com/247-special-breaking-analysis-th...). In fact 30% of Intel's own production is outsourced to TSMC.

Sure but that's different than your original point.

The scale also isn’t linear.

The world isn’t the panning for the 2027 takeover.

Of what?

2027 is the date the CCP has announced for when it'll be militarily ready to invade Taiwan. Whether they actually do so or not is an open question.

Taiwan.

There's other reasons to think it, but 5x wafers on 8x staff seems within the realm of comparable.

My reading of the numbers it should be 0.8x staff. I think you’re off by an order of magnitude.

I sure am. Whoops.

> If Intel does everything TSMC & NV do, then they should have something like 83000+36000~120000 employees?

TSMC is a fab, not a chip designer. And NV makes GPUs and small scale SoCs like the ones in the Nintendo Switch and automotive (IIRC the Tegra SoC that powered the Switch 1 literally was an automotive chip that they repurposed).

That's quite the difference from what Intel makes: CPUs that power a lot of the world's compute capacity for laptops, PCs and servers, wireless chips (Bluetooh+WiFi), their own GPU line...

> IIRC the Tegra SoC that powered the Switch 1 literally was an automotive chip that they repurposed

Tegra was designed for mobile devices like smartphones. The automotive part came later and isn’t particularly relevant. Intel also makes low power SoCs for mobile devices, e.g. Atom.

> Intel also makes low power SoCs for mobile devices, e.g. Atom.

Last time I heard that name was well over a decade ago for crappy "netbook" devices. Just looked it up, last Atom CPU was released in 2013 per Wikipedia [1]. They might still make them for embedded computing purposes with very long life cycles, but no idea at which volume.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom

They still make them, they're just not called Atom anymore.

Intel runs their own fabs. NVidia, AMD, Qualcomm outsource chip manufacturing.

Their fabs have been falling well behind TSMC for nearly a decade, and in fact their higher end stuff is mostly produced by TSMC

Intel has about as many salary employees (blue badge) as contract employees (green badge). Only the blue badges are included in the counts.

None of those companies have chip manufacturing.

The only true comparison is TSMC but in only does chip manufacturing and not chip design/development.

So Nvidia + TSMC would probably be a fair comparison.

TI does

For the GP of this comment, TI mixes running their own fabs with some fabless product lines. A lot of the companies that make analog ICs still own their fabs and TI is one of them.

I know it's apples to oranges but ASML has 44,000 employees, for reference.

With this brilliant logic, you should switch to being a McKinsey consultant and start driving companies into the ground.