As a not-Israeli Jew the reluctance of the Israeli government to send alleged criminals for trial overseas doesn’t make me happy, but I also remember that there are some reasons for this.
Unfortunately many countries have blanket extradition bans. US is one of the worst - it caused a lot of tension in the past when they wouldn't extradite IRA bombers but got UK to agree to extradite anyone US wanted.
No, but the pattern of criminals of Jewish background fleeing to Israel for protection after commiting a crime, is too often to ignore.
Same thing happened in my post communist country and the neighboring country too. Perp stole tens of millons through a banking scam in the 90s, then fled to Israel because he was Jewish and claimed persecution.
At which point should the pattern be acknowledged?
And did you ask Israel for extradition? What his name was? And is this pattern actually unique to Israel or would you find other examples of people escaping to where the law can't reach them? If Israel wanted to convict a dual citizen who fled to your country, what is the required process?
No, the leaders of my country didn't try any of that. You were the first person to think about those things. I'll pass on your suggestions and hopefully everything gets resolved.
Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith and provide further information and explore what happened and explain what do you think Israel should do differently?
>Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith
What was bad faith? I told you what happened. I was sarcastic because your comment was redundant and didn't add anything to the conversation, only instigating.
> and provide further information explore what happened
How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation?
>what you think Israel should do differently?
Extradite them or put them in jail over there and stop being a safe heaven for criminals.
Becuase you made an argument with a single supporting example yet didn't name any name that could be used to verify what you said and let other people judge the case nor have you explained at any point of there was any court procedure in Israel about extradition and whatever he ended up extradited. How are we supposed to disscus particulars like that? Resorting to sarcasm so fast that you aren't interested in genuine discussion. Furthermore if he wasn't extradited, you could use this discussion to make him more (in)famous.
> How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation?
You were claiming that many criminals abuse Israel extradition system to esapce the law. I was making (implicit) claim that there is nothing special about it and if there was abduance of such cases is merely because more people in your country had means to escape to Israel than to other places. As already explained you provided a sole lacking in information example and I wanted more.
And because you were being glib, I will be too, yes for all you know I am Israel's head prosecutor.
>didn't name any name that could be used to verify what you said and let other people judge the case
Oh, I'm sorry, is running a Google search too much?
Vladimir Gusinsky Russian media tycoon charged in 2000 with large-scale fraud tied to privatization of state assets. Arrested briefly in Russia, then fled to Spain and subsequently to Israel in 2001, where he obtained citizenship and lived for extended periods. Extradition requests (including from Russia via Greece and Spain) were denied or rejected; he used Israel as a safe haven.
Leonid Nevzlin Major Yukos oil company shareholder and executive. Charged in the early 2000s with embezzlement, tax evasion, fraud, and money laundering related to Yukos operations and privatization deals from the 1990s. Fled to Israel in 2003, granted citizenship; multiple Russian extradition requests denied by Israeli courts (e.g., in 2006 and 2008). Lived openly in Israel for decades.
Other Yukos-associated figures (e.g., Mikhail Brudno, Vladimir Dubov, and minor shareholders) Partners or shareholders in Yukos accused alongside Nevzlin and Mikhail Khodorkovsky of embezzlement, fraud, and tax-related crimes stemming from 1990s privatizations. Several fled to Israel in the mid-2000s, obtained citizenship, and avoided extradition; Israeli officials reportedly stated they would not extradite such oligarchs to Russia.
Ilan Shor (also spelled Ilan Șor), an Israeli-born businessman and politician. Involved in the 2014–2015 "theft of the century," a massive fraud and embezzlement scheme that siphoned approximately $1 billion (about 12–14% of Moldova's GDP) from three Moldovan banks through fraudulent loans and money laundering. Convicted in Moldova in 2017 (initially to 7.5 years, later increased to 15 years in absentia in 2023) for fraud and money laundering. Fled to Israel in 2019, where he has lived in exile, leveraging his Israeli citizenship (he was born in Tel Aviv). Israel has consistently refused or not acted on extradition requests from Moldova.
> I was making (implicit) claim that there is nothing special about it and if there was abduance of such cases is merely because more people in your country had means to escape to Israel than to other places.
Yes, I'm sure it's nothing special and just a coinkidink why all these financial fraudsters flee to Israel and not to Sweden, Canada, Australia or Japan.
The reason this happens is Israel gives easy citizenship to people just based on being of Jewish heritage, so these Jewish fraudster from all over the world abuse this, make a big hit somewhere, then flee to Israel with their illicit wealth for citizenship and protection.
> Oh, I'm sorry, is running a Google search too much?
You are the one who made the claim is is your job to soppurt it and I don't need to start guessing which post Soviet country you are until I land on the right guy.
Ilan Shor now lives in Russia with Russian citizenship. As for the rest of them they need to be considered. Do Russia and Moldova have Extradition Treaty with Israel?
> I don't need to start guessing which post Soviet country you are until I land on the right guy.
You don't have to guess. Search today is so good enough that you can just ask to give you "all the cases of Jewish financial fraudsters in Eastern Europe that fled to Israel". That's how I got those names. Do you think I have reserved space in my head for names I heard once 20 years ago?
>Do Russia and Moldova have Extradition Treaty with Israel?
How about you start Googling basic stuff for yourself and then tell us what you found out. I'll leave the conversation here to save my time and sanity since you're obviously just stringing people along in bad faith as you already made up your mind a long time ago and aren't interested in any productive debate or conversation so nothing I say will change your mind. It doesn't matter how many answers I'll give you, you'll just come up with more gochas and nitpicks.
Conversation and debate means "here's the information I found, here's my opinion about it, tell me what your opinion is", and NOT "go find me the information that I'm requesting, then come back to me so I can give you my opinion on it".
I literally conceded that "As for the rest of them they need to be considered" (for extradition). Yes I think this conversation is at end of usefullness. Israel has good reasons form their perspective to why they give citizenship easily and pretty much all countries don't give up their citizens without good cause (I read about a case where France didn't want to extradite to Israel because they aren't part of the EU so it wasn't legal. At the end France court sentenced them, so Israel should do the same).
https://jacobin.com/2023/02/israel-law-of-return-extradition...