I understand that. It is not relevant, and does not establish your original point.

You're missing the point -- I don't refuse to pay a parking ticket after the court orders me to do so. I don't stand in the checkout line trying to figure out how to run out without paying. I don't threaten people on the sidewalk and take their money when I notice there aren't any police around at the moment. I trust that the vast, vast majority of people act similarly. If they didn't, no amount of law enforcement would be enough.

> I don't threaten people on the sidewalk and take their money when I notice there aren't any police around at the moment.

What do you think happens to people who do that though?

You keep telling me what you don't do and how it proves you're implicitly non violent but you can't even imagine framing that response in terms that don't include representatives of the state's monopoly on violence being within arms reach.

Implying violence is never necessary while repeatedly describing not doing violence even if the state's violence distributing apparatus isn't currently present rather undermines the case.

> but you can't even imagine framing that response in terms that don't include representatives of the state's monopoly on violence being within arms reach.

This is not an accurate representation of GP:

> I don't stand in the checkout line trying to figure out how to run out without paying.... I trust that the vast, vast majority of people act similarly. If they didn't, no amount of law enforcement would be enough.

The OP is presenting a stupidly simplistic model of the problem, as though their regular middle class life ably answers the question of the role or threat of violence when demanding political change.

In a world they note of police, military and security guards, they're acting like whether this might have a reason is determined solely by whether people are planning to steal from a supermarket or not...while they're not poverty stricken or hungry, to boot.

Arguing "I simply obey all the laws" is real easy to do from a position of privilege.

Violence is never the answer is easy to say when it's not happening to you. Its also easy to say while you stand by as violence is done to others.

> Arguing "I simply obey all the laws" is real easy to do from a position of privilege.

Poor Americans simply do not live in the Les Miserables world.

> Violence is never the answer is easy to say when it's not happening to you. Its also easy to say while you stand by as violence is done to others.

What violence are you even referring to?

Why don't you? It's because violence will happen to you if you do. Nonviolence, backed by threats of violence.