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Decoupling systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.


on the contrary, systemd is a feature desired by system administrators, who are responsible for installing and managing most debian and debian-based distros.


As someone who manages a large Debuntu fleet, please don't speak on my behalf. If I had the opportunity to vote for systemd it would have been 'no'.


May I ask why?

There's a whole lot of "I don't/do like it" and "It did/didn't work for me" but not a lot of explanation of why they do or don't like it, or what didn't work, and I'm interested in those details.


Is that because you think it's somehow technically inferior or because you you've learnt a whole bunch of skills and don't really want to have to replace them? I mean, would you like to see the init system change, period?


It's great to have new and alternative init systems (and process managers) to use. Nobody is complaining about having to learn new skills.

Yes I want a better init system and process manager setup. But personally, I'm not sure that goal is worth losing Unix distro compatibility.

I would love a system that works the same across OSX, BSD's, Illumos and other newer experimental OS's etc.


Have you ever used it?


I have. I ran Arch for 3 years, up until 3 months after they implemented systemd. It made a KISS situation incredible complex. I switched back to Debian on my desktop after that. If Debian switches to systemd, I'll switch to Slackware, until SystemD has proven iteself to be stable and simple to administer. Not before.


I've installed systemd on Debian testing months ago and have not had a single problem. https://wiki.debian.org/systemd has some hints. I think it's likely when Jessie is released you'll most likely find that stuff still works.


That was 2 years ago, have you given it another try since?


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In the same words, mverwijs ran systemd for 3 months.


And you don't speak on behalf of every other sysadmin on the planet either


Isn't this a pointless statement? Nobody does.


I'd rather not be forced to use something because some people decided it's "what system administrators want."


Isn't that why you used sysvinit?




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